Tate: Illini have chance to quiet critics

OK, Illini basketball fans. Be honest. In the final analysis, you know you'd rather see the Illini play poorly and win, than play well and lose. As we saw during the football season, there's a big difference between a W and an L.

And wouldn't you rather see them ranked in the Top 25, even if you know in your heart they don't belong (a lie detector would confirm this, even if you won't admit it)?

A more positive Ronald Reagan would now retort: "There you go again, Loren" ... falling back on a possibly inaccurate assumption that, with the Pac-12 leading the nation in mediocrity, the depth of quality teams is down nationwide. In other words, Illinois is one of the taller midgets.

"I don't know," came Gus Phan's puzzled reply. "I love Illini basketball, but it's getting so I can hardly watch."

Yes, we heard the boos and catcalls Saturday in Chicago. For many of those folks up north, the UNLV game was the showcase that might encourage them to make the downstate drive in January, and they were turned off ... again. It's hard to accept when the Illini don't reach 50 points.

There was another brief negative barrage at home Monday, when Bruce Weber called time with Cornell leading 42-36.

The Illini, who trailed by 10 earlier, caught up at 32-32 but shot 1 of 12 to start the second half, and it didn't look good. But to its credit, the home assemblage was in full voice when the timeout ended, and Weber's up-and-down team responded. The Illini needed every bit of the Assembly Hall advantage to quell Cornell's Big Red uprising, 64-60.

In the clutch

So far, the 11-1 Illini have shown a laudable ability to successfully close out every contest they've had a chance to win.

Sam Maniscalco stepped up to help Illinois preserve narrow leads against Richmond (66-61 with 1:23 to go), Illinois State (a nervous 63-59 result) and Maryland (61-57 with 2:50 left).

These three victims aren't exactly powerhouses. They had 11 losses going into Tuesday night, Illinois State's Redbirds embarrassed from handing hapless Wilmington its first win of the season Saturday at Normal, 63-54.

The 82-75 verdict against Gonzaga stands as the UI's best performance but was followed by extended stretches of mediocrity: Illinois trailed St. Bonaventure 39-30; Coppin State climbed within 59-57 with 7:00 to go; UNLV rolled 64-48 Saturday; and Cornell led 48-44 before Brandon Paul and D.J. Richardson drained six clutch jumpers in the last 7:38.

So Christmas is coming, and it's time to be thankful ... even if it doesn't bolster fan courage for Thursday's shootout against Missouri's unbeaten marauders in St. Louis. The Tigers lack size but hit the court with exactly the kind of passing, penetrating playmakers who are the root of UI troubles. Guards Phil and Matt Pressey aren't scoring in double figures, but four teammates are averaging doubles in great part because of the brothers' eight assists and speedy ball handling. And they're just two of four guards on the court.

"Those two get in the paint and do a great job passing the ball to their shooters," Weber said. "They can explode on you. We're the underdog. So let's go play."

Nothing in reserve

Last season Meyers Leonard showed early promise, then hit the freshman wall and failed to register a point in 16 of the last 27 games. He averaged 2.1 points for the season.

We are now watching a miraculous transformation. Monday's double-double (19 points, 16 rebounds) might have been his most impressive yet. His maturity is taking form before our very eyes. You can almost see him grow.

"He's still a fun-loving kid," Weber said. "We're trying to help him be an adult on the court."

And now the current freshmen, once praised as a Top 15 class, are going through what Leonard went through last year. It must be shocking for them — all of them — to rise up for shots that they've made all their lives and misfire badly.

Add similarly erratic returnees Crandall Head and Joe Bertrand to the mix, and the reserves went 0 of 10 from the field Monday, 1 of 11 Saturday, 4 of 9 vs. Coppin State and 0 of 6 vs. St. Bonaventure. That's 5 of 36, or just under 14 percent.

This has created a huge problem for Weber, who entered the season with the intention of subbing freely, and has discovered he can't win games if he carries out that plan. He doesn't want to tell subs not to shoot, but internally he must cringe every time they do.

What we're seeing is a total freeze-up of the entire class. They appear tight, intimidated and unsure of themselves. Throw in semester exams and they've nearly been traumatized. Nnanna Egwu had a highly promising look, in the late summer and early fall, routinely nailing turnaround jumpers. Tracy Abrams was improving by leaps and bounds when he opened the season with 17 points and 11 rebounds in the first three games.

All five newcomers have lost confidence. All are tight as a drum. And the worse it gets, the worse it gets.

They'll break out of it at some point. Myke Henry could be the UI's leading scorer someday. But right now, all have hit the invisible wall, and there aren't any more games in which Weber can sub for the sake of subbing.

Loren Tate writes for The News-Gazette. He can be reached at ltate@news-gazette.com.

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LoyalIllini wrote on December 21, 2011 at 6:12 am

They are being forced to play Bruce Ball, not basketball, so this is the outcome.  Let's watch more Gonzaga running games and Bruce can freeze up for awhile.

read the DI wrote on December 21, 2011 at 6:12 am

Who in the #%@&@ is Gus Phan?

 

Weber should go back to coaching school. Maybe a good coach, like Coach K, can teach him how to be a winner?

oskeewowwow wrote on December 21, 2011 at 10:12 am
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Gus Phan is Tate's moniker for fans (get it? Phan = Fan), like John Q Public.

read the DI wrote on December 21, 2011 at 2:12 pm

Tate's an idiot.

butkus50 wrote on December 21, 2011 at 7:12 am

Put Abrams and Henry in starting lineup and bring Sam and Griffey off bench. Gives us more quick guard defense and up front scoring starting out and veterans off the bench. At end of game, play best 5 of the 7.

As far as Weber, his teams do not perform his motion offense well and perhaps talent not suited to that style. Watch all the young members of Kentucky, Duke, MSU, etc play the last several years. The freshman may have periods of up/down but do not freeze up. I just think they don't get Weber's offense and his total emphasis on defense.

walker wrote on December 21, 2011 at 8:12 am

If the players that you have don't seem to be a good fit for the system you want to run (and I do not think they do), then you only have 2 choices :  A.) recruit players that will be a good fit for your system  OR


B.) change the system that you want to run to adapt to the talent that you have.


 


Bruce has complained in the past about how his players don't run the motion correctly, are not good man to man defenders, etc etc.  I'm waiting for similar remarks from him about this team


as well.   You've got to do (A) or (B) above Bruce.

houstonillini84 wrote on December 21, 2011 at 10:12 am

Jeesh, they have played 11 games. Give it some time. It took Deron/Dee/Roger/James/Luther longer than that to get the motion going and those guys had played together a full year.


As far as 'they dont get Weber's ... total emphasis on defense', are you kidding me. Whats not to get? That emphasis on D has won us at least two games when the shots werent falling but we pulled out the W anyway. God forbid a coach would want his freshman to learn to play defense, LOL. Good luck in the Big Ten schedule with guys who cant or wont play D.


As far as replacing Sam and Grif with Abrams and Henry, that sounds great, if your intention is to lose games. Tracy is already getting 12-15 minutes a game, and Henry is still learning to play D. I would love to see Henry play more but only when we can make some shots - when he misses shots he is just a huge liability out there because of his D. If he comes out and makes a couple shots (even if he misses a couple), then hey, go for it and give the guy more minutes. But right now the newcomers are a big 0-for on offense and when the team is struggling to score, we cant afford to play them a lot.

jnaour wrote on December 21, 2011 at 10:12 am

Of course, this is all based on all your extensive D1 coaching experience?

Moonpie wrote on December 21, 2011 at 10:12 am

Uh, Moses Tate -- the Foul Machines' performance came against Cornell and not Ohio State or Wisconsin or Michigan State. I'll sign on to the Leonard is Bill Russell bandwagon when he starts feasting on conference opponenst and not just cupcakes.


But at least Moses didn't call us traitorous fans irrational, though he did quote Reagan -- does the Saint think Reagan is still president?

CecilColeman wrote on December 21, 2011 at 10:12 am

Do the freshman at other programs hit the wall every year?  How come ours do each year?

DaisyJ wrote on December 21, 2011 at 12:12 pm

Loren,,please...why are you ignoring the obvious. The kids in Webers system are not going to be successful under his offense. Kids do not even look for a shot, do  not even know they are open. It is plain to see, dicipline rules the day, and you must run the motion FIRST. Here is what makes you a good offensive team.


1) watching off ball even though you are not involved in the play or have the ball


2) going in to rebound when the shot goes up


3) focusing in on the eyes of your closest defense ( this is not taught today, basically,


this is how you back door someone when he is not bodying you up.)


4) understanding what a good shot is and what your range is. How many times does Griffey pick or pass with the ball and no one is on him and all he has to do is shoot. He has not been taught by Weber what a good shot is.


5) Leaving kids in the game to size up their opponents weaknesses. If you are good enough to start, then you should play 10 straight min a half, 16 each half after rest. If you cannot then you are out of shape, shame on the coach. You have to leave a kid in so he does not stiffen up, so he does not lose a feel for the game. The idea that we do not know in practice the top 7 kids by now are is also a sign of poor coaching.


 


6) If you are having a bad night, sit.....them ........sit them

mlp94595 wrote on December 21, 2011 at 1:12 pm

There seems to be a lot of wasted motion in the motion offense, with no attempt to get to the basket.  And looking at the shooting percentages, the guards are taking too many shots.  Griffey usually has a smaller guy on him with Leonard taking all the attention on double teams.  Griffey should be able to get more shots in the lane and low post with one on one defense.  If he got 10 to 15 shots a game, they would score more than they're getting with the guards shooting 1 for 10 and 2 for 12.


The bench will never get any confidence if they keep getting yanked after a missed shot or a turnover.  The only way they get to stay on the court is to do nothing but pass it around and play defense. 

read the DI wrote on December 21, 2011 at 2:12 pm

It has become a drinking game watching Weber's players run around the 3-point line like so many headless chickens while the opposing D just stands there and waits for one of them to dribble it off their foot.

And issssshhh geerttng meeeee waaaayystttuddddd....

crackerman wrote on December 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm

Go Illini! Beat Mizzou!

WillieWayne wrote on December 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm

Big 10 teams are going to definitely shut down Leonard and will probably control Sam, our under-sized point guard. If the other guys like Paul and Griffey can't contribute offensively, we will be doomed in conference play. And from what I've seen, Paul is as erratic as ever, and Griffey looks lost against tougher competition. The only player I have faith in is DJ. But he can't take all of the scoring load on himself.  I'm trying to remain optimistic, but am certainly concerned about our ability to put up points against good teams....  Let's hope that Bruce has a better game plan against Mizzou than he did against UNLV. Sure don't want to get embarrassed in the Braggin Rights game.

Illini_Fan_78 wrote on December 21, 2011 at 11:12 pm

Weber doesn't have the player's to run the offense after Dee Brown.  My question why can't Weber get the player's to run it correctly or change the offense he's running?

read the DI wrote on December 22, 2011 at 6:12 am

Because the players he recruits are just awful.