CHAMPAIGN – With no help from the zebras, who nullified two Connecticut touchdowns with holding calls in the final minutes, the Huskies put Notre Dame to bed (in double overtime) Saturday.
Some people think it matters, but it probably doesn't. They are teasing the constituency by saying a coaching decision hasn't been made because, if you'll excuse the expression, Charlie's fat is in the fire.
To retain Charlie Weis is to offend all those loyal, dues-paying alumni ... the same ones who influenced the Notre Dame administration to decline Big Ten overtures even though campus leaders liked the idea of joining the conference. At Notre Dame, football rules.
The intriguing aspect, from an Illinois perspective, is how differently these Midwestern universities view their gridiron operations. The basic considerations for head coaches are the same: (1) evaluation of performance, (2) fan support, (3) cost of making a change, (4) recruiting and (5) likelihood of future success. But the attitudes are oceans apart.
Let's review how two Midwestern schools view mediocrity.
Coaching performance
NOTRE DAME: As Ty Willingham found out, the Irish insist on results sooner than later, and the consecutive Weis audits of 3-9, 7-6 and 6-5 are unacceptable. The September loss to dysfunctional Michigan hit hard, and the narrow wins against Michigan State (33-30), Purdue (24-21) and Washington (overtime) created early uncertainties. Now the Irish travel to Stanford with three straight losses.
And they can't blame it on the quarterbacking. Jimmy Clausen has been outstanding. The overwhelming belief is the Irish need help at the top. And it is available. Even if Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops are out of reach, the Golden Dome could surely attract Pat Fitzgerald or Jim Harbaugh from schools with similar academic standards (Northwestern and Stanford) or get Cincinnati's red-hot Brian Kelly for less than Weis is receiving.
ILLINOIS: At one time or another, and sometimes in unison, Ron Zook's Illini have displayed shortcomings in the three areas of offense, defense and special teams. They are near the bottom in most Big Ten statistics and have caused fans to grumble about clock management. Quarterback has been musical chairs. Top recruits have underachieved. Three staff changes didn't help in what is now a 15-for-23 losing skid. UI talent is believed to be better than it is performing, and that can only be traced to the coaching.
Fan support
NOTRE DAME: Not to worry, the Irish have had only one non-sellout since 1966 and have jammed in 80,000-plus fans for every game since the stadium was expanded in 1997. This is a national institution. Such enthusiasm sets ultra-high, often-unreasonable expectations. Being simply bowl eligible is not enough.
ILLINOIS: When Ron Turner's club hit the skids in 2003-04, UI attendance dropped into the 40,000s. Crowds have been good this season, based mostly on preseason sales. UI marketing guru Chris Hanna is optimistic about 2010 because the home schedule brings Purdue, Indiana and Minnesota to Memorial Stadium, along with Southern Illinois and Northern Illinois ... all opponents that (in his opinion) the Illini could conceivably handle. No, this isn't overlooking Ohio State, which is always a strong draw. But Hanna may find that student and season tickets will fall after the disappointments of this season. There is a lot of unrest out there.
Cost of a change
NOTRE DAME: This is no factor whatsoever. As huge as the long-term Weis contract is, there'll be money to pay him off, what with Notre Dame's NBC-TV contract, the attendance revenue and the intense demand by wealthy alums to produce a winner. Irish beat writer Eric Hansen said it isn't clear what Weis will receive if, as Hansen expects, he is dumped. But Hansen believes the buyout is less than $10 million – and not the $18 million that has been rumored.
ILLINOIS: Zook is guaranteed $1.5 million for four years if he is removed, and this is a major consideration because the athletic department operates on a tight budget, and the university administration would expect the DIA to find contributors for the buyout and additional costs of change. And the price of competing for an in-demand prospect like Cincinnati's Kelly would be another major consideration. The pool of candidates for the UI job in no way compares to the people Notre Dame can attract.
Recruiting
NOTRE DAME: Weis had two five-star visitors on campus Saturday and has 18 commitments already. His freshman classes have ranked in the Top 15 for the last three years, Hansen noting: "Charlie has recruited well in spite of everything. He keeps bringing in good talent." Notre Dame remains an effective national recruiter regardless of who the coach is.
ILLINOIS: Only two programs in the nation's top 66 (as judged by Rivals.com) have fewer than 10 commitments, and Illinois is one of them. Not only that, but two of the UI's nine commits, tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz and cornerback Corey Cooper, are visiting elsewhere. Illinois will need a late push to get anywhere near Penn State (20 commits, ranked No. 3), Minnesota (23 commits) and Michigan (20 commits).
Said recruiting expert Tom Lemming: "The Illini are making the right contacts, but it's a different atmosphere this year. There is doubt in the air, and players are not jumping in the boat. Mike Locksley is gone, and he brought in a lot of difference-makers. There is always a certain amount of negative recruiting that goes on, and that increases when a team has problems."
Likelihood of success
NOTRE DAME: The recent losses to Navy, Pitt and UConn demonstrate Weis does not have the Irish moving in the right direction. Shabby defense and erratic special teams (another long return by UConn on Saturday) have drawn criticism. Furthermore, Clausen would be hard to replace if he elects to turn pro and, as a high NFL pick, probably will go. Still, the Irish figure to be highly competitive against future schedules, regardless of who the coach is.
ILLINOIS: Dark clouds outnumber the white ones. A slate that opens with Missouri in 2010 and requires the UI to start the Big Ten against Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan State does not build optimism. The offense will be rebuilt without star guard Jon Asamoah, center Eric Block and tight end Michael Hoomanawanui, quarterback Juice Williams, and receivers Chris Duvalt, Jeff Cumberland and almost certainly Arrelious Benn. Tackle Josh Brent heads a fourth-year class that has been weakened by attrition. The current freshman class appears average at best, and it remains to be seen whether help is coming. Orange-colored glasses are needed to focus on positives in 2010.
Loren Tate writes for The News-Gazette. He can be reached at ltate@news-gazette.com.
As for the current freshman class, what happened to, "Bigger, faster, and stronger."?
Posted by IlliniHimey on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 PM | Suggest Removal
Who needs negative recruiting when you have the News Gazette to do the work for you.
Posted by Jam on November 24, 2009 at 12:33 AM | Suggest Removal
When the heck are we going to have another commitmenment. If Cooper and CJ decommit we only have 7. Even Easterly is looking elsewhere.
We may only wind up with 6 recruits.
I thought Zook could recruit. If he cant coach and he cant recruit what good is he?
Thinks Loren for making me totaly depressed about the future of this pathetic football program.
Posted by dave1956 on November 24, 2009 at 5:47 AM | Suggest Removal
Another article by Loren Tate complaining and whining about something.
Posted by ax474 on November 24, 2009 at 7:52 AM | Suggest Removal
Hey jam,how about we convince Loren to just make up a few 4 star recruits.That way we could all just relax.If we can just convince Loren,I think it might work.I am pretty sure our 2 Ron's would be on board
Posted by Martin09 on November 24, 2009 at 8:01 AM | Suggest Removal
Sounds like ax474 would love to silence Loren as well.Where was the whining and complainig?Any writer who sees his job as a cheerleaser for the University should quit.That's journalism Eastern Bloc style.
Posted by Martin09 on November 24, 2009 at 8:09 AM | Suggest Removal
Loren,
You merely point out the obvious: Football matters at Notre Dame but not at Illinois. That's old news. Very old.
But you provide no summary. No questions as to who is accountable for this situation. Why is Illinois is in this mess. No recommnedations on how to fix it most glaringly no demand for change.
Posted by illini82 on November 24, 2009 at 8:18 AM | Suggest Removal
So illini82 all of that factual material, relative to both schools that is new and on-going is 'old news'? Im betting that there is more to come.That you will get tour summary.Im guessing you wont agree.
Posted by Martin09 on November 24, 2009 at 8:32 AM | Suggest Removal
What's the point of this article? In the past Loren wrote about how abysmal our football history has been. Now, he writes that it's currently in bad shape and implies that it is all Zook's fault with no mention of the possible responsibility of the AD who does the hiring and scheduling. There seems to be a disconnect here.
We are in a terrible period...again. I'm not sure that writing negative articles about it every week is helpful or illuminating.
Posted by illiniart on November 24, 2009 at 8:59 AM | Suggest Removal
Your job is to sell newspapers and persuade people to click on your article. Looks like you're doing it.
Posted by illinizeeman on November 24, 2009 at 10:34 AM | Suggest Removal
The point of the article was to compare and contrast 2 football programs.So what is all the dither about?Why are some folks trying to read into Loren's column subliminal messages.How could this be more straight forward.
Posted by Martin09 on November 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM | Suggest Removal
Good article, Mr. Tate. Don't always agree with you, but certainly do this time. The future of football at Illinois is not bright, that's for sure. A coaching change is clearly needed, but Mr. Guenther has too much invested, including his ego, in Coach Zook.
Posted by dgcrow on November 24, 2009 at 1:18 PM | Suggest Removal
"But, after detailing the woeful state of Illini football, let me say that none of this is the fault of the AD. Ron Guenther deserves no blame for the state of the program and for scheduling normally reserved for a perennial Top Ten program." -Loren Tate
Posted by peterborich on November 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM | Suggest Removal
Heck with ND comparison we can't even compete with these guys:
Since 1995, we are:
4-8 against Iowa
1-10 against Michigan St.
4-7 against Minnesota
5-10 against Northwestern
2-7 against Purdue
3-8-1 against Wisconsin
Now that really S&CKS!
Posted by jimbo2009 on November 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM | Suggest Removal
Loren is reporting the facts and I believe he has them correct. The complaint is about an administration that does not seem able to hire a coach who can do the job over the long-term. That takes money.
I tend to believe that at this point UI does have the appropriate facilities. It is now a matter of a top coach who can attract and keep the top talent.
Posted by myattitude on November 24, 2009 at 7:31 PM | Suggest Removal
What everyone keeps forgetting is the head coach only makes sure that the coordinators and position coaches are doing their job. I do not think that it is Zook's fault entirely. I think we need to replace the coordinators. The offense sometimes sputters because of bad play calling. The defense is giving up way to many big plays. Somebody is not preparing right. The game plan is way off. Take for example Coach Weber he has great staff and continues to win because of his staff doing their job. He has won with less talent and medioore talent. And this is why he can recruit and bring in talent. His staff. I say overhaul the staff and gets some proven coordinators and staff in who can teach football not coach football and maybe we can learn how to win.
Posted by tljames2k on December 8, 2009 at 10:18 AM | Suggest Removal