This team effing blows.

BRUTAL!

Oh, and fire Lovie and his "aw shucks" attitude. I don't care if dude is religious, hire Bill Cowher ASAP.

I've never seen a QB completely s*** his pants like Cutler does in the Red Zone. I think he's been picked 7 times THIS YEAR in the Red Zone.

UNFATHOMABLE!

I couldnt be more pissed off right now.

This is the worst offensive line in football. Hands down.
I thought Orlando Pace would help... I was wrong. Then, John St. Clair wouldn't help either (look what hes doing now).

I mean seriously... how many good players play on this team right now?? Answer... 2.

Jay Cutler. Lance Briggs.

Thats it. Thats all.

Tillman is above average. Forte is difficult to rate considering his porus OL. Otherwise... thats it.

Puke.

You would too if you had ZERO chance to run the football in the red zone... AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

Ever play QB?

If the defense knows you cant run inside or outside... and you cant throw long (because of that whole "out of the endzone" thing)... its pretty goddamn tough to make anything happen in the redzone.

Cosign.

Ill debate the next coach... but hard to argue with hiring Cowher. And hard to argue with firing Lovie. I dont care how much it costs.

Cutler makes stupid reads and tries to put the ball in places it shouldn't go, especially in the red zone. Look, on the 3rd and 1 in the 1st half, there was NOTHING there. Throw the ball into the stands and take the points. Instead, we get 0. His 7 picks on the goal-line have cost us the GB game, the SF game, and arguably the ATL game (although Forte's fumbles didn't help).

PATHETIC!!!!

Are you freaking serious?? Reads?? Do you have any idea what that means?

There is NO READ on the interception at the goal line on 3rd down tonight. Its a guy trying to make a play on third down, after two bad runs up the middle where we lost yards.

Did he force it? Yes. Is that the problem? Only if you don't understand how to play football.

We had the ball 1st and goal on the 5 yard line. If you dont score a touchdown there, you lose, period. Cutler knows this, and despite that bad decision, that is in no way the reason we lost.

READS = finding the right receiver. Pretty simple.

On the 3rd down pass, the "read" Cutler made was to put the ball into the middle of 4 defenders. Olsen wasn't close to being open.

Making a play????

GMAFB! The play was to either scramble to the outside or simply throw the ball away. It's not that hard. TAKE THE EFFEN POINTS!!!!!!! If we take the 3, then all we need is a FG at the end.

Cutler has more INT's this year inside the 20 than Tom Brady has in his career.



Priceless. That's beyond stupid.

Way to ignore the OL who "blocked" for the two dumb ass runs up the middle on first down. Or the dumb ass who called them.

Instead, lets blame the guy trying to make something happen on third down. Priceless.

Think Tom would have some more interceptions if he played behind this OL?

Maybe?

Thanks for proving my point.

Right. No need to take the 3 points, regardless of what happened on 1st and 2nd down. Look, it's the damn NFL. Yards are tough to come by on the ground at the goal line. If you call a pass on 3rd down, the LAST thing you expect is your QB to throw a f****** interception.

What is so hard to understand? Cutler makes stupid decisions inside the Red Zone. If you continue to argue this, you are stupidier than I thought.

Dips***, how do you explain last year when Cutler lead the NFL in INT's inside the Red Zone?

For the record, NO.

Reads do not = finding the right receiver. Amateur.

Reads = identifying what defense the D is playing. If you cant get this, I cant help you.

Dip#$%&@!????????????????

God you are miserable.

THEY NEVER RAN THE FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reads/progressions/decisions. They are used interchangeably by broadcasters, fans, and NFL people. Call them whatever you want. Cutler makes bad (___insert word here____) inside the 20's.

That's a FACT!

So Cutler, who now owns 11 INT's inside the Red Zone in the LAST 2 YEARS is all because the teams he is on doesn't run the football?????

Idiot!

You are way over your skis.

No, its NOT!!!!!

Dont blame the fact that you dont know the terminology on anyone but yourself.

Do you need me to explain the difference between "Reads/progressions/decisions" for you? Or can you just google it?

Yes. If I know you are going to throw... I play pass defense.

You have no idea what youre talking about.

As usual

Actually, why don't you go to google and post some more BS quotes like you did the last time when we were discussing Rush Limbaugh. The only thing worse than your googling skills is Cutler's decisions.

You are a complete MORON if you are blaming 11 picks, between 2 teams, on play-calling by two different OC's.

The only constant in the whole conversation is the QB. And he makes terrible decisions.

Get over yourself and quit being a complete and total idiot.

Let me help you little girl...

Read= Identifying what coverage the defense is playing

Progression= Identifying a target receiver, in order of importance, and checking down to the next one when possible.

Decision= Throwing to an open receiver.

All are next to impossible without an offensive line that can pass protect. All are completely impossible with an offensive line that cant pass protect or run block.

Any of this make any sense?

Stick your rush limbaugh quotes up your ass.

We are here to talk football, not your conservative politics. Try to stay on topic loser.

Agreed.


Cutler was awful. Especially in the Red Zone. Throw it away if you have to. But don't force it whn everything you throw finds its way into the defenders' hands.

Seriously?

I wont even ask you to defend this... so dumb.

Yes. It all makes perfect sense. Cutler can't do any of them in the Red Zone.

Got it, MORON?!?!?

"decision" = throwing to an open receiver????? PLEASE.

You brought up google. I'm not the one posting stupid crap, then running away when it was PROVEN that stuff you posted from wikipedia was wrong.

Ugh. Run away? Sorry dip#$%&@!, I have a life... sometimes it makes me give up talking to you online to go out and enjoy it.

Talking to you is absolutely painful.

Believe what you want.

What does "decision" mean then?

Screw you for the moron comment. Seriously. Grow TFU.

So just for the record, MJS believes that Cutler's interceptions were justified tonight because of the awful play calling and the bad offensive line.

So the pick on 3rd and 1 had nothing to do with forcing the ball where it shouldn't have gone.....

AND

The pick at the end of the game must have been due to some strange wind-current in the stadium because that ball was obviously headed for Olsen's hands, right??



If you go back and watch the pass, it was thrown woofully to the inside; the receiver broke to the outside. Again, nothing there. Throw it away and get ANOTHER PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is so hard for you to comprehend???????

100% FALSE.

Were you wrong about the quotes you attributed to Limbaugh?

Yes or No.

Easy question.

COULD YOU REALLY BE THIS DENSE????????????????????

His interceptions were NOT JUSTIFIED, but they weren't without a greater cause. Like an offensive line that can't block... Or an OC who calls a pass play on a 3rd and goal WITHOUT GREG OLSEN IN THE GAME, instead opting for a 3rd tackle eligible...
How can you expect a quarterback with ZERO running game to score on 3rd and goal when his only viable offensive weapon in the red zone ISNT IN THE #$%&@!ING GAME?????????????????

Build all your stupid strawmen and look like a dufus if you want. I could care less.

The fact remains that the problems with this football team are not, and have not been, Jay Cutler.

Nobody who knows a damn thing about football would make that statement.

No.

Easy answer. You suck at this whole "on topic" thing.

Are you really this not OK with keeping politics on the deuce?

Who's making the strawman?????

I simply said Cutler makes bad decisions in the Red Zone. Then you go off on a tangent and try to argue everything but that point.

Cutler is proving that he makes a LOT of bad, bad (__whatever you want to call them__) in crucial points in the game. At the very least, he doesn't put the ball where it should be; at the worst, he s**** his pants in key moments.

Again, your continued arguing of this very simple and basic point just makes you look more and more like a fool. Keep going if you'd like.

You are SIMPLY a LIAR. Plain and Simple.

You are a liar. And you know nothing about football.

Stick it up your ass. Im done with you.

Good enough?

Or are you really this stupid?

Hey dumbssa, I wasn't the one making stupid statements about Rush or why Cutler throws INT's inside the Red Zone.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that Cutler makes BAD DECISIONS?????????????

LOL.

Ok, that's enough. You've officially lost my interest.

He does

Decisions and Reads are different.

Sorry if you dont get it.

And he MAKES BAD READS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good night.

I think my quote from earlier pretty much sums this whole thing up...




Does Cutler need to throw less interceptions and make better decisions? Sure he does.

Is he the only good player on that offense trying to carry a bad team to mediocrity? Damn right.

Stupid fans will ignore:
1) horrendous play calling (best example: subbing in backup tackle Schaffer for Olsen on 3rd and goal... for a pass play)
2) zero running attack (43 yards tonight, we average about 50)
3) BENCHED, not hurt, BENCHED, left tackle AND left guard (Pace sat the whole second half, and Omilyae who?)
4) below average receiving core (even our only average receiver, hester, picked up back to back drive killing penalties and caused one interception)

Stupid fans will blame:
1) the QB (the only guy on the field they actually watch, because he has the ball. and was asked to throw 52 times in 1 game... something only two other qbs in football have been asked to do, once each, all year)

Obviously Cutler was bad tonight, and he isn't good enough to carry a bad offense. Doesn't change the fact that he is the LEAST of this 4-5 team's problems.

Too bad you have no clue what the hell a read is.

You think its the same thing as a decision or a progression... right? Aren't they all interchangeable terms?

LOL

Might want to figure that one out before auditioning for that next OC job.

Let me make this as elementary as possible for you:

READ: Something you begin before the snap, and finish before completing your drop. The goal is to understand the coverage, and identify its weak spots.
(Cutler is very good at this... ask Mike Shannahan, he's a pretty good judge. As an opposite example, remember Kordell Stewart... he had no idea what the hell he was looking at in the secondary.)

PROGRESSIONS: Something you do immediately following your read, checking receivers in order of importance, according to your read, having the patience to move to the next when covered, and the willingness to stay in the pocket.
(Cutler is above average at this, he obviously doesn't get rattled, isn't scared to take a hit, and will run. As an opposite example, remember Chad Hutchinson or Rex Grossman... two guys with what they call "happy feet" in the pocket)

DECISIONS: Something you do immediately following your progressions, where you see a receiver you'd like to hit, weigh the risk, and decide to throw the ball to him, or throw it away)
(Cutler is below average at this... its well documented that he often makes up for bad decisions with outstanding throws, but this is his biggest area of weakness. Fortunately, his bad decisions obviously come from overconfidence and immaturity, as opposed to lack of understanding.)

Look, here is the deal...

If everyone knows you are going to throw 50+ times a game, against average competition, you're going to lose.

Throwing into a zone is a losing proposition unless of course you're Peyton Manning, have a strong OL, and run 5 receiver sets with talented receivers. Otherwise, you will throw lots of interceptions, period.

Whew. There. I hope that made it easier for you. Until you understand the difference between these terms, its unlikely that you'll ever understand anything about how to play quarterback, or football for that matter.

What can I say, I tried.

MJs let me tell you something again. Something I told you when the trade was made.

The Bears dont have a franchise QB.

There is a reason Shanahan, and Josh McDaniels were down on Cutler.

Because Cutler just isnt that good.

right flight.

That's why you show up here after this game and the green bay game, and were nowhere to be found after Seattle, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Cleveland, Detroit or Atlanta. He was bad last night, and he's inconsistent for sure, which is pretty much what you should expect from a 26 year old quarterback with no receivers, no running game, the worst OL in football, and a defense that has twice given up touchdowns on the first 6 possessions of the game. By my count, Cutler has played 4 excellent games (including one against the best them in football), 3 mediocre games, and 2 miserable games.

The Bears, minus Brian Urlacher are 4-5 team. Take away Jay Cutler as well, and they're the Browns.

Now tell me, when was mike shannahan down on cutler? Did he call you at home to tell you this? Because I certainly don't remember reading it anywhere. Actually, quite the opposite.