Ask Illinois football beat writer Bob Asmussen about Tim Beckman's team
Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 12:57 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Welcome back to another football chat. The news flow should slow a bit here in the next month before spring drills start.
Nice to see Whitney Mercilus back on campus Sunday. He made a quick trip from Arizona to attend Sunday's Illinois-Northwestern basketball game.
Most projections I see have him going in the first round and that's before he goes to the combine, which will certainly improve his profile.
Enough jibber jabber. Time to answer some questions.
BrianA — 12:58 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Who do you see handling the punting duties this season?
Will we see Lankford and the rugby punt at times?
Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:00 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Brian A,
I think it will be an open competition in the spring. But it's hard to imagine that Ryan Lankford won't get a long look after how well he performed late in the season. He had a major impact in the Illinois bowl win and I think will only get better.
Justin DuVernois needs to show the coaches that he can get the ball off quickly and handle all of the snaps. The punting game cost Illinois a game or two.
I understand new special teams coordinator Tim Salem is open to both the conventional and rugby style punter. And you know coaches want to have the opponents worrying about both.
Alamo Illini — 01:01 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Though Coach Beckman hasn't made a decision, but based on his comments, I would say it is 70-30 that the team will not be going to Rantoul. If I reading him correctly, he is concerned about keeping the team under wraps, the surprise element, of what they will doing? Rantoul didn't equal the "Junction Boys" and survival, but thought it was a plus as to developing comaraderie.
Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:08 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Alamo,
I believe him when he says he hasn't made a decision yet. Recruiting and hiring a staff had to be his top priorities. I think once he takes a look at the facilities and talks to the people in Rantoul, he is going to have a difficult time not returning there.
Camp Rantoul has been an asset to the Illinois football program, in my opinion. The city embraces the team, the players are together all of the time and the facilities are top notch. And improving. The annual scrimmage at Rantoul High School has been a huge success, even when the weather didn't cooperate.
An NFL-style training camp also helps the players as they move forward in their careers. It will be like it is at Rantoul if they reach the NFL.
Tim Beckman has every right to bring the team back to Champaign-Urbana for training camp. In some ways, it would make life a bit easier for the players and coaches. But they are going to have to stay somewhere during the two weeks in August and it will be more expensive in C-U.
And there is something to be said for keeping your training camp out of the public eye. But I think the Illinois opponents will have a pretty good idea of what the Illini are going to do even without the benefit of watching practices. And wouldn't that be unethical?
Dennis Bialas — 01:08 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
After meeting the new coaches do you expect them to bring in a higher rated class than this year. Will they be able to make inroads in prospects eyes representing a fresh start for the program? I know winning consistently is important, but that's like what comes first the chicken or the egg. After seeing videos of them, they seem very gung ho to get started. Also when do you see the public getting a look at the new uniforms?
Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:13 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Dennis,
I think next year's Illinois class will be much higher rated than the group Illinois just signed. They will have a full year to recruit as opposed to a couple of weeks. And it is considered a very good year in the state.
You are right about the coaches being very gung ho. That excitement level should translate to very good work in recruiting. Generally, players like those type of personalities in their coaches.
I have seen some of the uniform proposals. I don't think you will see anything on the field before the season starts. But I do think you might see an example of them on players once they decide on the uniforms. I don't believe decisions have been made yet. Tim Beckman has had too many other things on his plate to worry about uniforms.
Sonny Corleone — 01:13 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Bob,
What went wrong with the relationship between Zook and the HS coaches in Illinois?
Is there any reason to believe that Beckman's staff will be any better at recruiting the state than Zook?
Can you give us any insight on where the Illini stand with the top in-state prospects like Ty Isaac, Logan T-T and others?
Thanks
Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:19 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Sonny,
I don't think it was so much a problem between Ron Zook and the Illinois high school coaches as it was the perception about Zook's job security. It's hard to send one of your players to a school if you aren't the school is going to keep the coach beyond the current year. After the 2008 season, Illinois had a difficult time recruiting both in Illinois and beyond because of Zook's job status. Rival schools used the status against Zook and Illinois.
In the eyes of the coaches in the state, Beckman and his staff get a fresh start. Hiring Luke Butkus, who has all sorts of recognition in Chicago, was an important decision. He will open many doors. And Tim Beckman will be at high schools in Chicago and the rest of the state all of the time.
Illinois has to build relationships in the state with the new staff. It might take a year or two, but Beckman's staff has to assure the coaches in Illinois that their players are the priority.
It's too early to make a call on Ty Isaac and others relative to Illinois. It's important for the stat to stay in the race with the top players in the state. The more time Isaac and pals visit the campus, the better the chance they will pick Illinois.
John M. — 01:19 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
Bob, You've made the comment a couple of times that Beckman has said that "He has to win first and then he can recruit", how is that going to happen when he has the least talented recruiting class in the big ten and Ohio St. and Michigan brining in future NFL players? Doesn't a program have to increase it's talent level then win games? Do you think that Beckman has enough to make a bowl game next year?
Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:27 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
John,
I think the 2012 Illinois team has enough talent to win games. Certainly, enough to get back to a bowl. The program has won consecutive bowl games for the first time in school history and returns several key players, on both sides of the ball. Nathan Scheelhaase, Graham Pocic, Hugh Thornton, Donovonn Young, Akeem Spence, Michael Buchanan, Jonathan Brown, Terry Hawthorne and Justin Green are a good start. They have learned how to win the last couple of years.
What will be crucial for Illinois is winning more than seven games. If Tim Beckman gets the team to eight, nine or 10 wins, it will make recruiting much easier for the staff in 2013 and beyond.
Illinois doesn't need to have the same level of recruits as Ohio State or Michigan to beat them. It has to be as close as possible, coach better, play better and get a little luck.
Ohio State continues to have some off-the-field issues that could dent the early years of Urban Meyer. And Penn State's issues don't seem to be going away soon.
Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:32 PM on Mon, 02/06/2012
I'm going to cut it off for today. Thanks for the questions. If you have anything you want to know in the next week, feel free to email me at asmussen@news-gazette.com.
Welcome back to another football chat. The news flow should slow a bit here in the next month before spring drills start.
Nice to see Whitney Mercilus back on campus Sunday. He made a quick trip from Arizona to attend Sunday's Illinois-Northwestern basketball game.
Most projections I see have him going in the first round and that's before he goes to the combine, which will certainly improve his profile.
Enough jibber jabber. Time to answer some questions.
Who do you see handling the punting duties this season?
Will we see Lankford and the rugby punt at times?
Brian A,
I think it will be an open competition in the spring. But it's hard to imagine that Ryan Lankford won't get a long look after how well he performed late in the season. He had a major impact in the Illinois bowl win and I think will only get better.
Justin DuVernois needs to show the coaches that he can get the ball off quickly and handle all of the snaps. The punting game cost Illinois a game or two.
I understand new special teams coordinator Tim Salem is open to both the conventional and rugby style punter. And you know coaches want to have the opponents worrying about both.
Though Coach Beckman hasn't made a decision, but based on his comments, I would say it is 70-30 that the team will not be going to Rantoul. If I reading him correctly, he is concerned about keeping the team under wraps, the surprise element, of what they will doing? Rantoul didn't equal the "Junction Boys" and survival, but thought it was a plus as to developing comaraderie.
Alamo,
I believe him when he says he hasn't made a decision yet. Recruiting and hiring a staff had to be his top priorities. I think once he takes a look at the facilities and talks to the people in Rantoul, he is going to have a difficult time not returning there.
Camp Rantoul has been an asset to the Illinois football program, in my opinion. The city embraces the team, the players are together all of the time and the facilities are top notch. And improving. The annual scrimmage at Rantoul High School has been a huge success, even when the weather didn't cooperate.
An NFL-style training camp also helps the players as they move forward in their careers. It will be like it is at Rantoul if they reach the NFL.
Tim Beckman has every right to bring the team back to Champaign-Urbana for training camp. In some ways, it would make life a bit easier for the players and coaches. But they are going to have to stay somewhere during the two weeks in August and it will be more expensive in C-U.
And there is something to be said for keeping your training camp out of the public eye. But I think the Illinois opponents will have a pretty good idea of what the Illini are going to do even without the benefit of watching practices. And wouldn't that be unethical?
After meeting the new coaches do you expect them to bring in a higher rated class than this year. Will they be able to make inroads in prospects eyes representing a fresh start for the program? I know winning consistently is important, but that's like what comes first the chicken or the egg. After seeing videos of them, they seem very gung ho to get started. Also when do you see the public getting a look at the new uniforms?
Dennis,
I think next year's Illinois class will be much higher rated than the group Illinois just signed. They will have a full year to recruit as opposed to a couple of weeks. And it is considered a very good year in the state.
You are right about the coaches being very gung ho. That excitement level should translate to very good work in recruiting. Generally, players like those type of personalities in their coaches.
I have seen some of the uniform proposals. I don't think you will see anything on the field before the season starts. But I do think you might see an example of them on players once they decide on the uniforms. I don't believe decisions have been made yet. Tim Beckman has had too many other things on his plate to worry about uniforms.
Bob,
What went wrong with the relationship between Zook and the HS coaches in Illinois?
Is there any reason to believe that Beckman's staff will be any better at recruiting the state than Zook?
Can you give us any insight on where the Illini stand with the top in-state prospects like Ty Isaac, Logan T-T and others?
Thanks
Sonny,
I don't think it was so much a problem between Ron Zook and the Illinois high school coaches as it was the perception about Zook's job security. It's hard to send one of your players to a school if you aren't the school is going to keep the coach beyond the current year. After the 2008 season, Illinois had a difficult time recruiting both in Illinois and beyond because of Zook's job status. Rival schools used the status against Zook and Illinois.
In the eyes of the coaches in the state, Beckman and his staff get a fresh start. Hiring Luke Butkus, who has all sorts of recognition in Chicago, was an important decision. He will open many doors. And Tim Beckman will be at high schools in Chicago and the rest of the state all of the time.
Illinois has to build relationships in the state with the new staff. It might take a year or two, but Beckman's staff has to assure the coaches in Illinois that their players are the priority.
It's too early to make a call on Ty Isaac and others relative to Illinois. It's important for the stat to stay in the race with the top players in the state. The more time Isaac and pals visit the campus, the better the chance they will pick Illinois.
Bob, You've made the comment a couple of times that Beckman has said that "He has to win first and then he can recruit", how is that going to happen when he has the least talented recruiting class in the big ten and Ohio St. and Michigan brining in future NFL players? Doesn't a program have to increase it's talent level then win games? Do you think that Beckman has enough to make a bowl game next year?
John,
I think the 2012 Illinois team has enough talent to win games. Certainly, enough to get back to a bowl. The program has won consecutive bowl games for the first time in school history and returns several key players, on both sides of the ball. Nathan Scheelhaase, Graham Pocic, Hugh Thornton, Donovonn Young, Akeem Spence, Michael Buchanan, Jonathan Brown, Terry Hawthorne and Justin Green are a good start. They have learned how to win the last couple of years.
What will be crucial for Illinois is winning more than seven games. If Tim Beckman gets the team to eight, nine or 10 wins, it will make recruiting much easier for the staff in 2013 and beyond.
Illinois doesn't need to have the same level of recruits as Ohio State or Michigan to beat them. It has to be as close as possible, coach better, play better and get a little luck.
Ohio State continues to have some off-the-field issues that could dent the early years of Urban Meyer. And Penn State's issues don't seem to be going away soon.
I'm going to cut it off for today. Thanks for the questions. If you have anything you want to know in the next week, feel free to email me at asmussen@news-gazette.com.
Have a great week. Talk to you next Monday.