Loren Tate chat: 11:30 a.m. Monday

Monday, August 30, 2010 - 11:30am

Chit-chat with legendary News-Gazette columnist and WDWS personality Loren Tate

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:02 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Good morning. It's Missouri week. Let's go. Loren

Charley from Bellingham, WA — 11:02 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Loren -
Do you recall any football season when the Illini exceeded expectations despite a rash of injuries among players at any point of the season?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:04 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Charley, I don't recall an Illini season that DIDN'T start with injuries in camp. It looked like this might be a good year when the team left Rantoul, and then we see Aikens dropped, Becker set back and the two secondary blows, Sanni and Hawthorne. That's a really bad start. Loren

Charley from Bellingham, WA — 11:04 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Loren -

Looking back, who was your favorite 'miracle worker' OCs and DCs? You know ... coaching up players with marginal talents and/or experience.

What are the chances that Petrino or/and Koenning becoming part of this elite group?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:07 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Charley, I always thought Denny Marcin did an exceptional job with his defensive linemen. A guy like Sean Payton wasn't around long enough to know.
At this point, I'd say Petrino has a good chance ... IF Scheelhaase can stay healthy and produce. The rest of the offensive unit appears solid. But it's a new offense so this is purely a guess.
Illini secondary concerns case a shadow over Koenning's first UI defensive unit, although there is optimistic talk about Green's move. He could be another Hawthorne. Loren

Tim from Chicago, IL — 11:07 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Loren, please gain the courage to write an objective article about Ron Guenther. Compare Ron G. to his peers. Every other public Big Ten university has completed the same kind of athletic renovation projects over his tenure. Perhaps he would not have to focus so much on fundraising if the football team were able to sell out games consistently. The guy makes $600,000 a year; yes we expect decent facilities and a good football team, not just the former. It's not just that Illinois has been bad at football; the fact is that during Guenther

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:11 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Tim, considering the strong feelings by a group of critics, it takes more courage to write what I believe about Guenther, than what you believe.
If you don't think what he has accomplished, fine. But compare what he's done to his predecessors ... Mackovic, Stoner, Vance, Coleman, Vance, Mills. I don't consider $300 million in improvement as minor. And I don't blame Guenther for the failing of coaches who have his full support.
You have plenty of people who agree with you. Why pick on me? You know where I stand. Loren

Jim from Peoria, IL — 11:11 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

So will our new QB be as good as Missouri's new QB was last year in his first game?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:14 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Jim, it is extremely unlikely that Scheelhaase will have the kind of success Gabbert did. Gabbert had played behind Chase Daniel the previous year, was installed in an established offense, and was surrounded by better players who actually reached No. 1 in the nation briefly in 2008. Gabbert has a much stronger throwing arm than Scheelhaase. UI hopes hinge on him taking advantage of his running backs and being successful on rollout passes. Gabbert's biggest asset is his arm. Scheelhaase's biggest asset is his speed. Loren

Jeremy from Springfield, Il — 11:14 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

As usual I was optimistic going into the game, but now that we have a RB and WR playing the corner spots.... how bad is this game going to be?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:17 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Jeremy, stranger things have happened but, no question, this is a blow to the defense and in the position where the Illini were already most vulnerable.
But before you question Green, remember that he has extraordinary speed and was recruited by Ohio State as a defensive back. Maybe he can make the switch as easily as Hawthorne did last year.
In case you haven't noticed, Missouri has a list of suspensions and injuries that, if these happened at Illinois, the fans would already be waving a white flag. Loren

Terry from Davenport, Iowa — 11:17 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Loren do you think the injuries in our secondary seal our fate in a negative way against Missouri? It seems like it is going to be tough to train the replacements quickly enough to overcome a strong Mizzou passing game.

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:20 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Terry, it certainly looks that way. But Illinois has some veterans in Tavor Wilson and Travon Bellamy, a JC transfer in Trulon Henry, and a half-dozen other guys who can fill in until Green is ready. And maybe Green will be ready Saturday.
I'm not trying to be optimistic because Illinois was a two-TD underdog before these injuries hit, but let's not look at it as impossible. Missouri isn't really as good, what with graduation losses, suspensions and injuries, as you might think. That's why their fans aren't showing up in previous numbers. Loren

Matt from New York, New York — 11:20 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Over/Under 400 Passing Yards for Mizzou

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:22 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Matt, I'd say under, but it'll probably be over 300 ... just as it was last year. But you are right, in the calm atmosphere of the dome, Gabbert is going to fill the air with passes.Loren

Concerned Arch Rivalry Ticket Holder from Wheaton, IL — 11:22 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Mr. Tate,

I appreciate the chats and all the hard work the IlliniHQ staff put into keeping us posted on the happenings of our AD.

I want to hear more commentary about the Illini secondary. With Sanni out and now Hawthorne, does the secondary stand a chance against a fairly potent Mizzou passing game? What's the depth chart look like as of right now? Does Green really stand a chance back there with his lack of preparation at the DB position?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:26 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Concerned, you have a right for your nickname. Everybody is concerned. I'd say the depth chart will be set this week with Tavon Wilson at a corner, Bellamy or Green at the other corner, Trulon Henry at strong safety and Jim Turpin at weak safety. What do you think?
As for Green, because of what the coaches are saying, and because he is such an exceptional athlete, I think he might play this week.
Here's the question I don't know the answer to. How much better was Supo Sanni than guys like Pat Nixon-Youman and Jolil Thrash? And is Miami Thomas back to his past form? We'll see. Loren

Steve from Bethalto, il — 11:26 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

First, I'd like to thank you for signing your book that I ordered for my Dad. Secondly, how bad is it going to be with a depleted secondary against Missouri? Lastly, I'm concerned that Martez has never really appread to have much instinct for the game and that I will be dissappointed with his play again this year. Has he progressed mentally?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:29 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Steve, the secondary situation has been pretty much explained. When you have a problem, it is at least good to be able to pinpoint it.
Koenning likes Martez Wilson so far. Martez is particularly adept at the blitz, and in chasing folks from side to side. I don't see any reason to be negative just because you weren't satisfied with him two year ago. Players improve. Maybe he will. He should be an asset on pass defense. He seems very positive mentally. Loren

Harold from Wheaton, IL — 11:29 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

How bad is Hawthorne's injury? Sounds like he has been playing with his injury. Now Illinois has also lost half a dozen or more safeties since last season?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:32 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Harold, he has a stress reaction, as opposed to a stress fracture, and the hope is that he can return in time for Ohio State. That may be wishful thinking but he should be OK for the majority of the season.
Yep, they've lost Edwards and Flowers and Hardeman and Aikens, not to mention Hopkins and Hicks ... while moving Ashante Williams to linebacker. Loren

Marty Hinton from Pinehurst, NC — 11:32 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Loren,
Great column on Illinois football history - quite "telling". I tried to talk you into a wins/losses discussion last week, as usual you weren't biting. Couple thoughts. It seems from your column that Ohio State was not really a football "factory until Woody Hayes arrived. Michigan is often noted consistently over the years, but OSU is not.Would it be fair to say the first 50 years of OSU football were "lackluster"? Regarding the opener against Missouri - given our losses in the secondary and Mizzou's ability to throw the pigskin, is it fair to say the Illini better control the ball with a running attack and win the special teams game to win the game?
I won't ask you for a score or a prediction:-)

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:37 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Marty, why the big deal about picking games for an entire season when we see, just this week, that we don't even know who'll be playing.
Situations change every week. Players come and players go. Teams improve and teams falter. I just don't get it. Why would anyone care what anyone else thinks? What is this obsession with picking games? I don't even play attention when anyone does it. It is meaningless.
Ohio State has always been strong in football, maybe not quite as strong as Michigan during some eras, but always a powerhouse. I tried to pick out the biggest UI wins, based on the circumstances and the quality of opponents, and that's how the article turned out. But remember this, the undefeated 1951 champs didn't beat Ohio State (it was a tie) and Butkus-Grabowski teams never beat Ohio State. Any win over the Buckeyes has always been special. Loren

Mike from Hebron, IL — 11:37 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Loren, can you please fill us in on who has been moved to new positions since the latest injury to blackcat?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:38 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Mike, sorry, I don't know who blackcat is. But if you're talking about the defensive backfield, you surely know the Green and Hull moves. And Jack Ramsey is getting a look after enjoying three exceptional weeks as a receiver. Loren

Dave from Urbana, IL — 11:38 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Loren,

what is Denny Marcin doing these days? I know he was in the NFL for a while.

Whats your prediction for Saturday? An Illini win?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:41 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Dave, last I heard, Denny Marcin was living in the New York area. But I have nothing current.
As for Saturday, Missouri is a legitimate two-touchdown favorite ... but this team is rated as highly as two years ago. By the way, I just noted that Illinois was a slight favorite to win last year, and succumbed, 37-9. Again, I'm not in the prediction business. I just don't think that way. Loren

James from Gurnee, Il — 11:42 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

With the recent injury stuff, the sports medicine people are probably aren't sleeping much. Who takes care of our kids? How do they work to get guys back as fast as possible?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:44 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

James, the UI has an exceptional medical staff beginning with doctors Kyrouac and Gertler. After repairs, it is up to the injured athletes to follow the recuperative rules and suggestions. The trainers are, as you suggest, overworked ... just as they are on every campus.
From what I've seen, Missouri has had a tough preseason as well. Loren

Jerry from San Antonio, Texas — 11:44 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Mr. Conservative: I saw your breakout on the divisions, and felt it made alot common sense, based on the comments about Wisc/Iowa and Mich/OSU. Are you confident the "leaks" are valid?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:50 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

Jerry, the comments relative to Wisc-Iowa and Mich-OSU are pretty solid when they come directly from Alvarez and Gee. They ought to know. Where it goes from there, however, is anyone's guess. And maybe Alvarez and Gee were simply sending out feelers to see what the reaction would be.
But let me say this: If OSU and Michigan are in opposite divisions while still assured of annual meetings in their rivalry, it makes sense to line up the other rivalries as well: Ill-NU, Ind-Purd, Penn State-MSU, Minn-Nebraska and Iowa-Wis. But who knows what they're thinking. In my mind, they're taking a simple problem and making it too complicated. What other conference has a more natural geographic alignment than the 12 teams in the Big Ten? But it now appears that geography will be no factor in the divisions. Loren

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:51 AM on Mon, 08/30/2010

All done. That's enough defensive backfield talk for one day. Most of the time, we don't even know the position exists.
And keep pushing on Guenther. Maybe you can get me to change. What do you think?
Loren