Illinois football chat: 1 p.m. Tuesday

Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 1:00pm

Talk with Illinois football beat writer Bob Asmussen

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 12:53 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Welcome back to another chat. We've got oodles of questions, so I'm going to get right to them.

Brian from Urbana, IL — 12:53 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Is Leshoure injured?

Watching the game, it seemed like he was limping some at times

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 12:55 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Brian,

I don't think injured is the right word. Sore, the kind you get after playing three-fourths of a season at running back, is the right word. He had a sprained ankle a few weeks back and I think that recovery process is constant. He will look like a different guy when he gets some time off after Saturday.

Troy from Urbana, IL — 12:55 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob,

why is there hostility between the UI and Minnesota staffs?

Obviously Brewster is a proud alum, and its no secret he wanted the job.
But it seems like he is enjoying being at Minnesota

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 12:58 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Troy,

I think Coach Brewster is enjoying his time at Minnesota, but there is starting to be some heat on him there.

I think the hostility is from a couple of sources. First, there's a feeling from the Illinois players and coaches that the Minnesota players go a bit too far in terms of being physical. Of course, it's a violent game, but nobody wants to see hits taken after the whistle. That is part of the concern.

And I think there's some resentment toward Minnesota about the way Clint Brewster's recruitment was handled. He was going to sign with Illinois, then when his dad got the job at Minnesota, he signed with the Gophers. I think the Illinois coaches would have been fine with that had the Brewsters said that right away. But they hesitated, which cost Illinois a chance to immediately start recruiting another quarterback. There's a gap in the Illinois quarterback lineup between the fourth-year guys and the second-year guy. That could have been prevented had the Brewster situation gone differently. Clint ended up leaving Minnesota anyway. I'm not sure if that would have happened had he come to Illinois. We'll never know.

Tim from Urbana, IL — 12:59 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

after this weekend who is the team to beat in the Big 10?

Who is the leader for the Rose Bowl right now?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:00 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Tim,

Iowa and Ohio State control their own destiny. With the Hawkeyes going to Columbus and Ricky Stanzi out for the regular season, I think it's very likely Ohio State goes to the Rose Bowl. How weird will it be if the Buckeyes reach the Rose Bowl with their only league loss coming against Purdue? Very.

Gregg from Pittsburgh, Pa — 01:00 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

How is Martez Wilson's recovery coming along?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:01 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Gregg,

Very well. Martez is at every practice and seems to helping the young guys. The other day, I saw him after practice with his arm around one of the young offensive lineman. That's a great sign for Illinois. From what I understand, he will make a full recovery and be on the field at Camp Rantoul. I think his activity in the spring will be limited.

Peter from St. Louis, MO — 01:02 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob,

Please tell me you had a chance to listen to some of the Big Ten Network's broadcast (On DVR perhaps) from Minneapolis Saturday. It was without a doubt the worst telecast I

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:04 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Peter,

I heard a lot about from emails and from staff members. Marcus Jackson texted me during the game about how bad it was.

This was not the Big Ten's A team. Or B team. Or C team.

I've got a suggestion for the network: Get Dave Revsine out of the studio on Saturday and have him do a game. He does that during basketball season. He's really good. Let Mike Hall handle the studio.

I've given the network the benefit of the doubt until now. But it has to improve the level of its work or people are going to start tuning out.

Shamous from Waukegan, IL — 01:04 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob:

What's your take on the current debate between readers and Loren Tate? Should the majority of the blame for the current state of Illinois football fall on Ron Guenther. Although Tate will never say a bad word about his friend, football is the crown jewel of a Big Ten athletic department and his record speaks for itself. I also think Tate

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:11 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Shamous,

First thing you must say about Loren is that he is a columnist. So, his job is to share his opinion. You can agree or disagree with him. That's the beauty of a free press.
Second thing you must say about Loren is that he is outworking almost every other 78-year-old in the country.
Third thing you must say about Loren is he sticks to his ideas, right or wrong.
We have debated the merits of a football playoff for years. He thinks he's right that there won't be one. I think he's wrong.
Loren doesn't blame Ron Guenther for the current state of the football program. That's his right.
I'm a bit more in the middle on this one. I think Ron Guenther loves Illinois football and wants nothing more than for it to succeed. There's no question about that. But he hasn't always helped his team with scheduling, the Missouri series being a particular problem in recent years.
Ron Guenther has hired two football coaches. It didn't work for the first one and the jury is still out on Ron Zook. I don't think Ron Guenther wants to have to hire a third football coach and I'm not sure he should be given the opportunity. He won't be at Illinois for another decade. So, if a coaching change is needed in football, it should be up to his replacement.
I think the recent wins for Illinois makes it easy to justify Ron Zook's return. I expect him back next season.

Marcus from Monument, CO — 01:11 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob,

Do you see Benn leaving early with the average season he has had?

Marcus

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:12 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Marcus,

As much as I would like to write stories about Arrelious Benn for another year, I think he is leaving after this season.

Wade from Wheaton, IL — 01:12 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Hey Bob,

Any reason why we dont line Benn up in the backfield other than just on the goal line. We are almost essentially running Benn in a wildcat like formation. In my eyes the play has been fantastic on the goal line and I'm wondering why its not be at least considered at other times.

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:14 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Wade,

Good question. Mike Locksley used Benn as a runner more in the middle of the field. I'm not sure why that hasn't happened as much this season. Injury could be part of it. Arrelious has never been totally healthy.
The play that Justin Green scored on against Minnesota is the play that is normally run by Benn. But he had been dinged a player or two earlier and was on the sidelines. I thought it was interesting that Justin Green was the next guy in for that play.

mike from calumet city, il — 01:14 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

How did zook explain the clock managemnent at the end of the first half? He should be fired based on that alone...

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:15 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Mike,

He wasn't really asked to explain it. That's our fault for not getting to the question, but there were a bunch of other things to talk about and a small window. Juice Williams' injury, Jacob Charest's play, Clay Nurse, Jason Ford and Terry Hawthorne dominated the talk.
I'll ask about it next time I get a chance, which will be after Wednesday's practice.

Jim from Paxton, Ill — 01:15 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

What recent (last 50 years) football coach has done better than Coach Zook at Illinois and stayed around?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:19 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Jim,

There isn't anybody to compare him to. He is 15 games under .500 at Illinois. Mike White was above .500 and forced to resign. John Mackovic was 14 games above .500 and went to Texas. Lou Tepper was 6 games under .500 and forced out. Ron Turner was 17 games under .500 and forced out. Illinois has not been kind to its football head coaches, other than Mackovic.

Ryan from Springfield, Il — 01:19 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Anything exciting or unusual planned for the banquet weekend?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:20 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Ryan,

I know that a bunch of the top recruits are coming to campus for their official visits, including Corey Cooper.

Dave C. from Champaign, IL. — 01:20 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

What do you think of Cincinnati? I wasn't impressed watching Uconn almost beat them at home Sat. I checked their record and they really haven't played too tough of a schedule. They've yet to play the 2 best teams in the Big East, West Va. and Pitt. I assumed we wouldn't have a chance playing a top 5 team at home but if we keep winning the turn over battle and don't make the dumb penalties I can see us winning that game.Overrated?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:22 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Dave C.,

Unfortunately, I didn't get back in time to see the Cincinnati-UConn game. I will get to watch Friday's game against West Virginia. And I saw Cincinnati play Rutgers and South Florida earlier in the season.
I think it's a very, very good team. But I don't think it's a team that should play for the national title. Before the season, I thought Cincinnati would be a more difficult game for Illinois than Missouri. That's probably still true. Illinois can win, but it will have to play error-free and maybe get a bad day from the Bearcats.

James from Greenville, SC — 01:23 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob,
Thanks for the chats! it seems like you usually give an honest and fair answer to the questions. I've been very happy with the wins the last two weeks. Style points do not matter right now. I am on the bandwagon for a new coach still. I think Zook is cementing his position for another season. I can't be one of those fans that hopes for losses to spite their coach. I hope we win out and make a bowl(although highly unlikely). My problem with the coaching is that they still make first year coaching mistakes. They do not learn from their goofs. Time management, kicking formations, and soft defense continue to plague this program. I hate to say it, but I do not see it improving under this staff. These types of continued mistakes will not consistently keep us in the upper half of the conference. They will cost Illinois a couple of games every year. If Zook does keep his job(and he does seem like a good guy, but that doesn't win games), do you think he can win consistently? Have you seen the coaching improvements that I've been unable to see? Thanks again. Go Illini!

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:28 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

James,

Without being in the meetings and watching film with these guys, it's impossible to accurately evaluate what they are doing and how well they are doing it.
Can Illinois consistently win with Ron Zook? After the 2007, I would have definitely said yes. I'm not as sure now.
I think the defensive line played well against Minnesota, so there is improvement there. I have heard good things from outsiders about both of Illinois' new line coaches.
I have always said that I think this group would benefit from some sort of a bench coach. A Don Zimmer to Joe Torre. Bring back an old coach, put him on the staff and have him in charge of timeouts and what penalties to accept/decline. Somebody like Mike White or John Mackovic, who wouldn't be a threat to the current guys.
I think college football is an extremely difficult game to coach. You need the players to do the right thing. There are so many things that can go wrong on a given play.
Think about it from the Minnesota angle. Somehow, Adam Weber threw a perfect pass to Terry Hawthorne. Who's fault is that? The coach called the play, but the quarterback didn't execute properly.

Marcus from Monument, CO — 01:28 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob,

Any new news on CJ's recruitment. Is it true that he is looking at other options.

Marcus

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:29 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Marcus,

I think he has opened up his recruitment some. I am going to be talking to his coach later in the week about All-State. He is in the running for Player of the Year in the state. He has had a huge impact on a state quarterfinalist.
If I get any new information on C.J., I will pass it along immediately. I certainly think Illinois is still in strong contention for him.

fan of the flyboys from cloud, in the sky — 01:29 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

flyover on saturday??

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:29 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

fan,

I hope so. They are very cool.

Craig from Chambana, Il — 01:30 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob - Thanks for the chats

When you make your selections for the All BigTen team do you take into consideration what a player does in the non-conference or do you just focus on conference play?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:31 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Craig,

I think you have to consider the entire season. I think what a player does in the conference is more important because, basically, everybody plays some version of the same teams. But if a player had a big day out of conference, that should be part of his resume.
It's going to be difficult to pick players at several spots.

Jack from Clinton, Illinois — 01:32 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob, I have asked about this before but I have give this a little more thought. It seems to me that it is just wrong on so many levels for the local media not to be allowed to cover practice. Illinois is the state university. The only real conduit between the alumni,fans citizens and taxpayers of this state and the team is the press.Lets not forget it is our team. The people that are here now are caretakers of the program and quite frankly employees. They are highly paid employees I might add. This includes the A.D. I would like to see a change in this backward thinking policy.The rest of the world are trying to get information out quicker than ever before and we are trying to supress the news.We are working on a twenty-four news cycle. I would think that a pool reporter maybe chosen from a different media outlet every week would be better than the current system.This is only if the powers that be are concerned about something being leaked to another team or something they are trying to hide?I don't even know? Do you have any thoughts on this Bob? Please explain the reasoning and would a pool reporter system work? It sounds absurd for football but it seems to me it would at least be better than what we have now. Thanks

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:35 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Jack,

Any kind of access would be good. I agree with you that a pool reporter system might make some sense. But I'm not sure any of the media outlets involved would agree to it.
You made a great point about the press being a conduit to the team. I'd suggest you send along your concerns to Ron Zook/Ron Guenther.
Ron Zook's biggest concern, of course, is doing what is right for his team. I don't blame him for that. I think everyone understands the idea that coaches don't want to give the opponent an edge.
Practices being opened weren't an issue at Illinois before the Internet. But the ease of spreading the information is what worries the coaches the most.

River City from Peoria, IL — 01:36 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Any new news on Prater? There is some noise going around that the top Florida boys we are after are really considering the Illini still, any news on them?

Thanks in advance!

And I agree, flyovers are the best!

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:37 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

River City,

I will be talking to Kyle early next week at his high school. I haven't talked to him directly since the summer. So, until I get information from him, I won't speculate too much.

I will also check into the Florida recruits ASAP.

joe from chicago, il — 01:38 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

speaking of clock management, i dont get how illinois can constantly screw that up - zook is on a headset talking to how many guys? even if he doesnt know when to call a timeout, is there noone yelling in the headset offering advice? how can a staff of so many guys mess that up?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:39 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Joe,

I would like to get my own headset and hear what's going on during the games. I'm assuming there is some yelling. But clock management falls on the head coach. Now, should somebody be warning him when the clock is running down? Absolutely. What we don't know is how the coaches operate in those situations. But you would think the ultimate goal is to get it right, no matter who speaks up.

Al Ryle from Champaign, Il. — 01:39 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Do the two wins help Illinois retain the committed players ca't hurt

Ian from W. Orange, Nj — 01:39 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

A recruiting service says that the two wins have gone a long way. Can you give a good example or two?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:43 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Al and Ian,

To keep the current players on board and to help with future recruits, Illinois had to win. For two reasons. First, to show the recruits that Ron Guenther's announcement of Ron Zook's return was real. And second, to allow the recruits to see that the coaches have a plan and that it can work.
If Illinois had finished 1-11, it would have been very difficult to convince talented players that the coaches knew what they were doing. That is less of a problem for Illinois now.

Jake from Shelbyville, Il — 01:43 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob,
Thanks as usual for the good job you do and the chats. Okay so after all of the hype from everyone about the football team this past summer what will all of you do for an encore next summer? Will you be a little more cautious with what you say before the season starts?

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:47 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Jake,

Ding, ding, ding. You win the prize for the best advice ever. I think everything that is written and said about the Illinois program going into the 2010 season will be done so with caution. Because I don't think there will be a lot of faith in the Illinois program. Are there good pieces to write about? Of course, starting with Terry Hawthorne and moving on from there. But the overall tone will be much lower key than before 2009.
If I'm allowed to vote again in the AP poll, I can't imagine a scenario where I would put Illinois in my preseason Top 25. And I don't see the school getting many, if any votes.

tom from bloomington, IL — 01:47 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

With two wins in a row is Zook's job safe for next year? I'd venture to say yes at least in Guenther's mind even though the fan base may not be entirely sold on the idea.

Are you optimitstic about next year? I asked Loren and Jim that question during their chat and was surprised to see they are not. I thought given the progress of Charest, Leshoure, Hawethorn, Aikens, etc. they would be at least a little more optimistic. The schedule is still very tough though.

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:49 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Tom,

Illinois will have some good players back next season, including the ones you mentioned. But the schedule again starts with Missouri, which seems to have Illinois' number.
Illinois follows that with games against Southern Illinois and Northern Illinois. Both are having great years and I think the Huskies will view Illinois as beatable.
In the league, Illinois has a nasty road schedule, going to Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Northwestern. Plus, there's a December trip to Fresno State.
All of that might explain Loren and Jim's answer. I'll want to see what the team does in the first month. It will be interesting.

LO from Kalamazoo, MI — 01:50 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Bob, Thanks for the chats. Though I would love to see Rejus around another year, I feel that he will be long gone because next year is an uncapped year in the NFL in terms of players salaries. Basically a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year could be making as much as a 1st rounder in the past. You never know what Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder will do.

Anyhow, what is the coaching staff doing about the taunting penalties? Though another player got into the grill of Jack Ramsey after the play on Saturday, the damage was already done.

Thanks again.

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:51 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

LO,

Ron Zook was asked about that today and he said the coaches preach to the players about maintaining their cool. Other than the penalty on Chris Duvalt, Illinois was limited in its conduct troubles. It was actually Jack Ramsey who tried to get Chris Duvalt to move away. I thought that was impressive for a young guy.

Kevin from Liberty, IL — 01:52 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Hi Bob,

Is Paul ok today after last night? As an Illini and Steelers fan, it was sure fun to see Rashard run wild again!

Bob Asmussen (moderator) — 01:53 PM on Tue, 11/10/2009

Kevin,

I think Paul handled the Broncos loss well. He's at work today, so that's a good sign. He had to know they weren't going to go 15-1.

Rashard Mendenhall looked great on the field. And he was very, very impressive in a long interview with ESPN after the game. I think he's going to get a lot of positive attention in the next few years.