Tate & Turpin chat: 11 a.m. Monday

Monday, October 5, 2009 - 11:00am

Chat with the hosts of "Saturday Sportsline" and "Monday Morning Quarterback."

Sam from Goreville, Illinois — 11:03 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Loren,
Why is Zook so stubborn with keeping Juice in the game? He is not a Division 1 qb. You have to be able to pass the football. He has never demonstrated that ability consistently. He should be a rb instead. I don't question his heart, but his talent. I would love to have Illinois State quarterback Brown to pass to our wideouts instead. Bring on Jerry Kill from NIU as our next coach. Everywhere he has gone he has won.

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:06 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Sam, it would be hard to argue with Juice at QB after his 9-win season in 2008, and after he broke the total offense records in St. Louis, Ann Arbor and at Memorial Stadium. But he has slumped badly and his inaccuracy as a passer is the reason he's being benched. I'd bet that the new offensive coordinator, Mike Schultz, had a lot of input in this. Zook can remember Juice's better days. Schultz wasn't here. Loren

Glenwood 1914 from Moline, Illinois — 11:06 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Loren....after watching Illinois football along with you for the last 50 years it always seems that the difference between the premier programs in The Big Ten and the rest of us comes down to the line play. The last 2 Saturday's were a microcosim of years of frustration; our inability to stop the run and our inability to open holes for our running backs and not protecting the passer. All the excitement in recruiting is about the skill positions, when in truth a bunch of good lineman who stay in the program for 4 or 5 years would lift us out of mediocrity and into the upper part of the conference. Why is that so difficul to achieve?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:07 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Glenwood, it is difficult to achieve because, historically, the programs at Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan get higher quality players at virtually all the positions, including the line. Period. Jim and Loren

Jack from Plano, TX — 11:07 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Ok. You're the history buff, but I'm still not understanding the reasons behind Illinois' pathetic football history. Just comparing their recent history to comparable Big Ten schools is depressing and head-scratching.

Wisconsin - A down and out program until hiring Barry Alverez; and after a couple of rebuilding years Wisconsin goes on a string of several consecutive bowl appearances (wins a couple of Rose Bowls even). He passes the torch to Brent Bielema. Program drops a little bit (still goes to bowl games though). Looks like this year might be a tough one for him. But no! 5-0 and headed for another bowl and successful season. Wish Illinois had this history.

Purdue - Remember the Jim Coletto years? (Very similar to most Illinois football years.) Purdue instantly fixes this football problem by hiring Joe Tiller. Presto! 10+ years of bowl appearances, winning at least half of those, beating Notre Dame, and there is much fun and pride for any Purdue alum. They're a little down this year with a new coach, but they're COMPETING (something Illinois teams rarely do). Obviously, next year they'll be back to a bowl. I Wish Illinois had this football history. Why don't they?

Northwestern - Played Illini-type football for most of the 80's and early 90's until they hired Gary Barnett. Then they were successful more years than not with him, Randy Walker, and now Pat Fitzgerald. They went to a bowl game last year and are heading for another one this year. And they always COMPETE! I'd definitely take their recent 20 year history over what ours is now. What's really irritating about Northwestern's success is none of their alums or current students seem to give a flying fig about it. They're lucky to get 35k in attendance for most of their home games, and their stadium's pitiful. But boy, I wish their football history was Illinois'.

Even Minnesota is on the upswing now (by an Illini alum no less) and they enjoyed consistent success under Glen Mason for several years prior to now.

Same with Iowa. Who was Kirk Ferenz, except just one heck of a football coach.

Is it really this hard , in a world with billions of people, that a midwestern US university cannot find 22 human beings who are physically coordinated and smart enough to play a game of football on a consistent basis?

Other comparable universities just don't seem to have this football problem that Illinois always seems to have.

Is it really too much to ask of the Illini to go to 2 consecutive bowl games instead of their customary 1 every 5 years or so?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:12 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Jack, someday when we have 24 hours, we can get into this. Is it possible for Illinois to be good? Yes. John Mackovic took Illinois to four straight bowls.
Is it likely to happen? By now, you should know the answer to that. By the way, if you check our record against some of those Big Ten teams for the last 30 years, you'd find the Illini have pretty much held their own. Jim and Loren

Jake from Shelbyville, Il — 11:13 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Loren, Here is my opinion of this whole fiasco with the Illini football team. We are all to blame to a certain extent. First it starts with the scouting services who put a lot of these kids on a pedastal by rating them in their polls as a can't miss player. Then the media picks up on this and they put these kids on an even higher pedastal with all of the hype. The desperate Illini fans ( me included) read all of the head lines and get really excited and expect immediate gratification. The coaches don't set up the right schemes for the players they have. The players don't play up to their potential. There is poor play selection, poor execution, etc. etc....... So you can see that we all have to share in the blame for this mess from the rating services to the media to the fans to the coaches to the players and so on. Can it be fixed? Maybe but it is going to take time and I don't think you are going to see any perceptible change in the near future. These players are 18 - 22 years old and they are not professionals and they are going to make mistakes and many won't live up to their lofty ranking from the rating services. People need to be patient but that is not human nature especially after all of the ALL AMERICANS were recruited to come to Illinois.
By the way, thanks for these chats I really enjoy them but I marvel at how you and your fellow writers handle some of the questions and the repetitive questions. I'm sure it really gets old after a while. Keep up the good work.

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:16 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Jake, we are guilty for touting the recruits, and you are guilty for believing it. The thing that is hard to understand is that fans stick with recruiting beliefs for two-three years even after HALF the recruits in a particular class are no longer there. Illinois is clearly shy at linebacker, and not getting the defensive backfield play that is needed. That is just two examples. Jim and Loren

Marty Hinton from Pinehurst, NC — 11:16 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Loren & Jim,
Two questions for you - 1] Is there a lack of "vocal" in your face leadership on the field? It appears that this team "sags" after something negative occurs. 2] As a former offensive coordinator, it appears that this QB and receiving corps is best suited to vertical seam & fade routes. However, we do not seem to attack vertically until we are forced to by the scoreboard. Have we made any vertical/deep attempts in the first quarter of any of our games?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:18 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Marty, all year long people have talked about the team being listless. It is not fair to judge how players feel from the stands. Yes, the team missed Leman and Miller.
Even Schultz says the team should go vertical more often. It's not clear why they don't. Maybe that'll change with McGee at quarterback. Jim and Loren

George from Champaign, 61821 — 11:18 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Hello Gentlemen-
It seems that the offensive playcalling is horribly suited for the talent that is currently on this team. Juice certainly doesn't have the accuracy to run this offense, and I have my doubts about Eddie's ability as well.

It seems back in the old days, the strength of a good coach was his ability to adjust to the other team's strengths during a game, and his own team's strengths beforehand. I could be wrong about that, but when I see Coaches Zook and Schultz say that they have to believe in what they're doing and stick with it, I cringe.

Am I off base?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:21 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

George, it is natural for Schultz to believe in what he's been doing because he's been successful for the last decade at TCU. Illinois is running pretty much the same offense, and it is a good guess that Schultz, seeing what is happening, has had input into the quarterback change this week. But here's what Zook said, and it doesn't exactly ring with optimism: "I'm not sure this is the right thing to do, but it'll give us a change and we'll see." Jim and Loren

Big Country from Chicago , IL — 11:21 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Mcgee is starting, but will Juice play as well or Charest? I think Eddie deserves a chance to start but I think using both Eddie and Juice could help us out.

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:22 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Big Country: We're just getting over the Juice benching, which came as a surprise, and now you want us to guess what happens if McGee fails. We don't know. Jim and Loren

Ralph from Chicago, IL — 11:22 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

I do think this will be a good move the team and especially in the passing game. I think the play calling should and will be changed based on Eddie's strengths.. He is a more accurate passer then Juice and he is faster. I say less options and when you do run Eddie run the QB sneak or lead Draws.. Get him going North and South instead of East and West.. I also expect to see more deep passes being called.

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:24 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Ralph: You could be right. McGee is faster and a better passer, but it isn't likely that the offense will change much. What we're looking for is better execution and more accurate passes. Jim and Loren

Cort from Hartford, CT — 11:24 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

How can this be seen as anything more than a desperate move by a desperate man/coach?

With all the turnover at the top of the university, whose decision would it be to fire RG and/or Ron Zook? Is that even possible in this present interim state?

Loren Tate (moderator) — 11:26 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

Cort: The Board of Trustees could fire Zook or Guenther but that isn't likely to happen. The board is newly formed and has plenty of other problems. But, yes, Zook is desperate, which is the case for nearly half the head football coaches in the country ... like, everyone who lost Saturday. That's the nature of things. Jim and Loren

DaBears from La Crosse, WI — 11:27 AM on Mon, 10/05/2009

I think it's about time we turn to McGee, he is the better passer. Does this mean better production from Benn, Fayson, and the receivers now? HOPE so.